Thank god for slavery cause without it I would be stuck in Africa!!!

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By Martin ( - 205.188.197.162) on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 09:03 am:

That is a common slogan of the colonized mindset
of some African Americans:

"Thank god that slavery happened, or I would be
stuck in Africa."

This is a direct affect of colonialist writing our
history and controlling our views of Africa. Why?

Well lets rewind a couple hundred years....

Africa. Full of black people (lol). Also happens
to be the richest country in the world. Yes...

AFRICA IS ONE OF THE RICHEST COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD. If not "the" richest.
How is this possible?
RESOURCES, RESOURCES, and more RESOURCES!!!!
And by resources I mean minerals and people.

- 80% of the worlds gold comes from Africa

- 90% of the worlds diamonds comes from Africa

- Large amounts of Plutonium

- ....and countless others.

Makes Europe look like a wasteland. No one goes on
Safaris in Europe.

In fact all of western society was largely
funded off of African resources. The fall of the
east coencided with the rise of the West....the
colonial resource wasting beast that it is today.

Africa had its rise and fall of civilizations,
its times of war and its times of peace. It was in
no need of colonialists.

So for an African Americans to say thank god for
America, is like saying thank god for white
people....because without them us ignorant black
folk would be nothing.

For example:

Say a thief steals a woman's purse. This action
causes a domino effect that propels the women into
poverty,constant internal strife and bickering.

The thief, with the contents of the purse, builds
a house. This house becomes more and more powerful
and wealthy overtime. Soon this house starts
spreading lies about its origins. Even goes as far
to say that robbing that woman was the best thing
that ever happened to her.

The woman is africa

The thief is the colonialist

The purse represents resources (gold, diamond,
mineral, people)

and the house is America.

Of course this is an oversimplification of the
colonial period. It was more like devide and
conquer really....set your enemy against itself.
Thats why blacks were selling other blacks into
slavery.

Of course if you ask the colonialist...or their
puppet uncle toms, they'll say all of Africa just
sold its self out, and that Europe was a guiding
light for Africa.

Learn your history, unify the people. We do not
need anyone or anything but black unification. The
rest will fall into place.
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By zzzzzzzzz ( - 63.14.139.205) on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 01:42 pm:

good post Martin:

black unification is the answer to ills
that ravage our community now, but i often
wonder who would lead us..i'm personally
sick of clowns who throw "reverend" in front
of their names and the masses are ready to
follow what ever lunacy they spew...we need
people of vision and intelligence to be the
voices of the future...i mentor young men in
my community and it's heartbreaking to see
the disrespect they have for the black woman,
the unwillingness to work, lack of concern
for their community..they can't see past the
"bling bling", it's vogue to be a pimp & a
hustler...i get through to some of them but
it's a small number, but i guess it's better
to save one young man and maybe he will be
able to extend his hand to the next brother...


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:50 am:

Responding to Martin:

=That is a common slogan of the colonized mindset
of some African Americans:

"Thank god that slavery happened, or I would be
stuck in Africa."=

Actually, it should be "Thank God that slavery and the rest of history happened, or I wouldn't exist at all." If anything in history had happened to interfere with one's lineage, he or she wouldn't exist.

=This is a direct affect of colonialist writing our history and controlling our views of Africa. Why?=

Tell us, Martin.

=Well lets rewind a couple hundred years....

Africa. Full of black people (lol). Also happens
to be the richest country in the world. Yes...=

It is not a country; it is a continent, and it never was "the richest" anything in the world, except possibly during the height of the Egyptian empire, and that would apply only to Egypt, not the rest of Africa.

=AFRICA IS ONE OF THE RICHEST COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD. If not "the" richest.
How is this possible?=

It's not.

=RESOURCES, RESOURCES, and more RESOURCES!!!!
And by resources I mean minerals and people.=

Africa seems not to fare well in either category.

=- 80% of the worlds gold comes from Africa=

Gold is, except for industrial uses, a purely arbitary valued commodity. People value it because they like it. Because of that, it can and has also been used as a medium of exchange and a store of value, but it itself has no value. You can't eat it, keep yourself warm with it, play with it, or do much else with it. Put a man on an island made of gold and he has nothing unless there is some society with goods and services somewhere willing to trade for it. Goods and services have real value.

=- 90% of the worlds diamonds comes from Africa =

Same for above. Aside from industrial uses in a modern economy, diamonds are purely an arbitrarily valued commodity, and their value only exists in the fact that as long as they are considered valuable, they can be traded for real wealth -- goods and services. It is goods and services that Africa lacks. Rocks they have an abundance of.

=- Large amounts of Plutonium =

Ask yourself this; if a bushman of, say, 400 years ago, happened upon a vast store of diamonds, gold and radioactive plutonium, what would have have? Three things that would be of no more worth to him than a common pebble in the sand. Is is only because those things can be traded for goods and services in the modern world that they have value. Take away those goods and services, and they're worthless rocks.

=- ....and countless others.

Makes Europe look like a wasteland. No one goes on
Safaris in Europe.=

Europe has a wealth of human capital -- knowledge, manifested in productivity, agriculture, science, technology, manufactured goods, food production, wine production, trading, commerce, arts, and so on ad infinitum. Besides,one of the reasons Europe was able to achieve those things is because it is generally more hospitable than Africa -- a more abundant supply of food, navigable rivers, building materials, good sea and land routes, and so on. Much of Africa's historical disadvantage is because of its relative isolation and lack of natural resources in the way of food, arable land, navigable rivers, trade routes and so on.

=In fact all of western society was largely
funded off of African resources.=

No, actually very little of it was, and if Africa disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, America, Europe and Asia would not miss a beat. We'd barely know it was missing.

=The fall of the
east coencided with the rise of the West....the
colonial resource wasting beast that it is today.=

When did the east fall? Chinese, Japanese, Thai and Korean societies are thriving.

=Africa had its rise and fall of civilizations,
its times of war and its times of peace. It was in no need of colonialists.=

The civilizations were only in the northeast corner of the continent, not in sub-Saharan West Africa, where your ancestors came from.

=So for an African Americans to say thank god for
America, is like saying thank god for white
people....because without them us ignorant black
folk would be nothing.=

There is some truth to that. If it were not for western incursion into black Africa, it would still be in the stone or iron age. It was hardly a benevolent incursion and the slave trade did much damage, but slavery existed in Africa throughout history and to this day; the reason the is so little of it now is precisely because of western influence, and without western influence, there would be almost knowledge or civilization in western Africa and by most black people.

=For example:

Say a thief steals a woman's purse. This action
causes a domino effect that propels the women into poverty,constant internal strife and bickering.=

The problem with this analogy is that there was no "purse" to begin with.

=The thief, with the contents of the purse, builds
a house.=

Except that there was no purse.

=This house becomes more and more powerful
and wealthy overtime. Soon this house starts
spreading lies about its origins.=

Except that there was no purse.

=Even goes as far
to say that robbing that woman was the best thing
that ever happened to her.=

Except that there was no purse.

=The woman is africa =

And there was no purse.

=The thief is the colonialist=

And there was no purse.

=The purse represents resources (gold, diamond,
mineral, people)=

Except for the people part, the rest was paid for, and gold, diamonds and minerals are only of value in a developed society which arbitrarly places value on them. Except for industrial uses, which is a small part of the demand, they could all disappear without detriment to the civilized world. And as for the people, while those actually in the slave trade suffered, their descendants are much better off than if they had been born in Africa.

=and the house is America.

Of course this is an oversimplification of the
colonial period. It was more like devide and
conquer really....set your enemy against itself.
Thats why blacks were selling other blacks into
slavery. =

Blacks were enslaving blacks for as long as anyone can tell. The reason white Europeans went there to get slaves for the new world was that was the only place they could buy slaves. White people didn't start it, but in the modern era they have been the ones trying to stop it while the slave trade continues in Africa.

=Of course if you ask the colonialist...or their
puppet uncle toms, they'll say all of Africa just
sold its self out, and that Europe was a guiding
light for Africa. =

Africa just sold itself out. Europe may not have been a guiding light, but it certainly was the factor that led subSaharan Africa out of the stone age.

=Learn your history, unify the people. We do not
need anyone or anything but black unification. The
rest will fall into place.=

Whatever makes you happy.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:42 pm:

From Z:

=black unification is the answer to ills
that ravage our community now,=

No it's not. No other race seeks some weird kind of unification because of race as it's rallying call, except for a few extremists. In any event, even if this imagined unification were to occur, what do you think would change?

=but i often
wonder who would lead us..i'm personally
sick of clowns who throw "reverend" in front
of their names and the masses are ready to
follow what ever lunacy they spew...=

I absolutely agree.

=we need
people of vision and intelligence to be the
voices of the future...=

Like Colin Powell, Ward Connerly, Clarence Thomas?

=i mentor young men in
my community and it's heartbreaking to see
the disrespect they have for the black woman,
the unwillingness to work, lack of concern
for their community..they can't see past the
"bling bling", it's vogue to be a pimp & a
hustler...=

You do realize, don't you, that if any white man were to write that exact thing he'd be accused of being a white supremacist?

=i get through to some of them but
it's a small number, but i guess it's better
to save one young man and maybe he will be
able to extend his hand to the next brother...=

At least you're trying, but have you ever considered not making race your criterion for selection? If any white man said that he advocated white racial unity and mentored only white kids, he'd be called a klansmen or any of the other nice little names we are so often called every time we say something displeasing.


By zzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.76) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:47 pm:

Jim-Bob

Black unification is "weird" to an imperialist
such as yourself because it is truly a scary
thought, you wouldn't be on this board if
thought of blacks coming together with a
common goal of uplifting the black community
wasn't a very scary one....

Colin Powell, Ward Connerly & Clarence Thomas?
I said voices of vision, not the Republican
party rhetoric....

I never said that i mentored only young black
men, our community outreach program is very
diverse but it seems that the Anglos only
come to the hood for drugs and go back to the
burbs for their therapy session...i am and will
always be most concerned with young brothers..
so save the reverse discrimination dribble,
when we call u a Klansman, it's because you
forgot to take off your robe...


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 03:42 pm:

Z:

=Black unification is "weird" to an imperialist
such as yourself because it is truly a scary
thought, you wouldn't be on this board if
thought of blacks coming together with a
common goal of uplifting the black community
wasn't a very scary one....=

Z, if you're old enough to mentor someone, you should therefore be old enough not to write, let alone believe, anything so juvenile as the above. And perhaps that is the problem with the youth you're trying to mentor -- they've been fed this kind of idiocy since infancy and are emotionally and intellectually crippled by it. Whites, as a rule, would like nothing better than to see blacks uplift themselves. We'd love to see black crime drop, to see the prisons emptied, to see black neighborhoods become productive centers of commerce rather than burdensome centers of redistribution programs, so see black youth earning degrees in colleges rather than selling drugs. We spend a fortune in government funds every year trying to accomplish just that, but the change is something that must come from within. Just please stop blaming up for motivations you place on us but which in reality are not there.

=Colin Powell, Ward Connerly & Clarence Thomas?
I said voices of vision, not the Republican
party rhetoric....=

The two are synonymous. They are true voices of vision, or more accurately voices of reason, rather than the usual rabble-rousing numbnuts such as Khalid Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton, and the accurately reflect sound, rational Republican thinking.

=I never said that i mentored only young black
men, our community outreach program is very
diverse but it seems that the Anglos only
come to the hood for drugs and go back to the
burbs for their therapy session...=

You referred to the black community in your remark, so it logically followed that that's only who you mentored. If that's not true, then good. As for anglos coming to the 'hood for drugs, that may well be true, but it is likely very few of them do that, and if the drugs weren't being sold there, they wouldn't be there.

=i am and will
always be most concerned with young brothers..
so save the reverse discrimination dribble,
when we call u a Klansman, it's because you
forgot to take off your robe...=

I'll stop with the reverse discrimination drivel when reverse discrimination stops, but the point still stands that the remarks you made about your "young brothers" accurately reflect the opinion many whites have of them and for the same exact reasons, but if and when we say so, we can be expected to be called all sorts of names for it. That's a rather large and glaring double standard.


By zzzzzzzzz ( - 63.62.45.53) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:25 pm:

Jim-Bob your ridiculous since of self
importance is amazing, please, where is
the double standard "Mr White Racism Doesn't
Exist"....the point i made about many
misguided young brothers is shared by
many hard-working people of all colors but
elitist never address the cause of the
negative behavior...an elitist will say that
a gathering of young urban blacks is a gang,
but a gathering of suburban white youths is
a clique...that's the double standard......

as far as you "assuming" i only worked with
black youth, well that one is on you Jim-Bob..

Jim-Bob, please save spill about how you good
white folks are working soooo hard to help....
when will you realize that we don't need you
to validate anything for us, black unification
has always been a scary thing for the white
man and you know it, your presence here speaks
volumes....if we unified, perhaps we'd stop
pushing your drugs, killing each other, filling
your privately run prisons, buying your luxury
cars, and the list goes on, yes Jim-Bob, a
conscious, alert, unified black community is
a nightmare for Stromtroppers like yourself..

as far as leadership is concerned, i'm not
impressed with anyone on your list, not
the bourgeois honorary whiteboys like Ward
or Clarence or the publicity seeking religious
gurus...we need conscious leaders who aren't
puppets for either party or the religious
establishment....


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 10:09 am:

Responding to Z:

=Jim-Bob your ridiculous since of self
importance is amazing,=

I'm not the one who fantasizes that an entire race of people is basically out to get me, as do you who fantasizes that whites are in some way, any way, against black people lifting themselves up.

=please, where is
the double standard "Mr White Racism Doesn't
Exist"....=

I didn't say it didn't exist; I said it was much less prevalent than black racism and much less of a current problem.

=the point i made about many
misguided young brothers is shared by
many hard-working people of all colors but
elitist never address the cause of the
negative behavior...an elitist will say that
a gathering of young urban blacks is a gang,=

The cause of the negative behavior is that they were raised in a subculture that values negative behavior, hence they emulate that negative behavior. It's a self-generated problem and requires a self-generated cure.

=but a gathering of suburban white youths is
a clique...that's the double standard......=

Hardly. But since you're raised a totally irrelevant issue, I'll address it. Black youth engages in crime at a staggeringly greater rate than white youth do, and their appearance is frequently meant to be intimidating -- the whole "gangsta" motif. Combine the two, and throw in a health dosage of anti-white sentiment, and its perfectly reasonable to look at a gathering of black youth with a much greater level of apprehension than a similar gathering of white youth. It's not a double standard, it's two different behaviors and two different levels of threat to one's personal safety.

=as far as you "assuming" i only worked with
black youth, well that one is on you Jim-Bob..=

Fine. I stand corrected.

=Jim-Bob, please save spill about how you good
white folks are working soooo hard to help....when will you realize that we don't need you
to validate anything for us=

Works for me. Just stop making false accusations about us and ascribing motivations and beliefs that we do not hold.

=black unification
has always been a scary thing for the white
man and you know it,=

This really is a favorite fantasy of yours, isn't it? You simply HAVE to believe someone is out to get you. In any event, people do not unite based on race; the whole concept is silly, or more accurately, juvenile; it's never going to happen, and it's not a matter of concern for any rational person.

=your presence here speaks
volumes....if we unified, perhaps we'd stop
pushing your drugs,=

More childishness, and more racism. Let's see... blacks engage in the drug trade, buying and selling drugs, and somehow you manage to blame US for YOUR failings? That's amazing. Can we blame black people for drunkeness among white people? For that matter, can we blame blacks for criminal behavior by whites?

=killing each other,=

And especially, stop killing us.

=filling
your privately run prisons,=

Standard black racist drivel. We have to build prisons to house the hundreds of thousands of depraved black criminals who would otherwise be victimizing both blacks and whites, in the process incurring an unwanted expense in exactly the same manner that we have to have sanitation departments to clean up refuse off the street, and not only are we burdened with this unwanted expenditure, and not only are we victimized by the crime that lands these degenerates into prisons, but we are then blamed for it. This is blaming the victim on a grand scale and is one of the more perverse examples of black racism going. But no, Z, the truth is that we would like nothing better than for blacks to stop committing crime and to stop forcing us to spend money on prisons, black racist fantasies to the contrary notwithstanding.

=buying your luxury
cars,=

"Our" luxury cars? Who's "us" in this scenario? BMW? Mercedes? Lexus? What kind of absurdity is this? The only way people who make things make money is by SELLING them; if black people are buying luxury cars or Nike shoes, that's exactly what the manufacturer wants.

=and the list goes on,=

Yes, the list of patently absurd black racist accusations is apprently endless, bounded only by the limits of the imaginations of the racists making the accusations.

=yes Jim-Bob, a
conscious, alert, unified black community is
a nightmare for Stromtroppers like yourself..=

No, Z, a conscious, moral, decent, law-abiding, educated, productive, black community is what we dream of, but unless and until blacks start taking responsibility for their own actions and cease and desist from these loony paranoid fantasies to use as scapegoats for their behavior, that's never going to happen.

=as far as leadership is concerned, i'm not
impressed with anyone on your list,=

Good. They are all moral, decent, accomplished men of integrity. I'd be worried if you were impressed by them.

=not
the bourgeois honorary whiteboys like Ward
or Clarence or the publicity seeking religious
gurus...we need conscious leaders who aren't
puppets for either party or the religious
establishment....=

No, you need people like Connerly, Thomas, Sowell, and others of that ilk like a flower needs water.


By zzzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.71) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 01:56 pm:

Jim-Bob, more of your same tired rantings,
this is not Romper Room so your drivel
about the "entire" race out to get "us"
is moot...anyone with half a brain knows
that you can't paint an entire people
with one broad stroke but that's what u
supremist do.....Jim-Bob, be logical,
i know that's a stretch for you but
Blacks are not the ones getting filthy
rich from the drug trade, we don't fly the
drugs in, we don't really control this
stuff...it's the Brooks Brothers suit
wearing WallStreet type who is really
getting rich, that's the real pusher,
the street punks who get busted are merely
peebles of sand.....like i told you before,
you don't have to validate, understand or
approve anything for us...it doesn't take
a rocket scientist to figure out that we
must solve the problems in our community
but don't give me this pompous bull that
the all of the problems are self-imposed..

and as far as your little list of black
conservatives, everyone is welcomed at
the table, i don't agree with their
philosophies but i'm willing to listen
to anyone who has uplifting the black
community in mind, not a condescending
political puppet who is only spewing
the party line...


By Martin ( - 205.188.197.161) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 02:48 pm:

Hey "zzzzzzzz" I stopped paying attention to Jim
when he claimed that there is no such thing as the
culture bomb and that history cannot be used as a
weapon.

To me that pretty much says it all. He lives in a
cacoon of white priviledge
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By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 03:20 pm:

Martin:

So, you decided to stop paying attention to me because I didn't subscribe to the intellectually immature buzzwords you've been taught? Darn. I'm crushed. Anyway, don't let me infringe upon your paranoid fantasies; if you feel more comfortable believing in idiocy such as "cultural bombs," go for it.


By PialMorgan ( - 131.252.180.222) on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 05:28 pm:

i am a slave myself


By HRH- SPEAKS TO HIS BROS AND SIS,IT'S TIME TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE WHITE GHOULS ! ( - 12.81.70.166) on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 01:25 pm:

MARTIN AND ZZZZZZZZZ,I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT BOTH OF YOU HAVE FINALLY COME TO YOUR SENSES.TALKING TO THIS RIGHT WING RACIST HANDPUPPET,WAS A TOTAL WASTE OF YOUR BRAIN CELLS.WHAT DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN,THESE LEECHES WOULD SUDDENLY SEE THE LIGHT,OR BETTER STILL ADMIT WHAT INSANE RACIST HOUSEPETS THEY ARE?
IT REALLY SADDENS ME TO WATCH YOU AND SOME OF THE OTHER MORE INTELLIGENT ONES ON THIS SITE,CONTIUNING IN THIS MINDLESS NEED TO EXPLAIN AND DEBATE THESE BOTTOM FEEDING,TRANSPARENT NEO-NAZI HOUSEPETS. AS I KEEP TELLING YOU,"IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO TALK DIRECTLY TO ANY OF THESE ZOMBIES.ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE LIVING AMONG US,STOP FEEDING THESE VULTURES. ALL YOUR DOING IS,MAKING THEM FEEL MORE EMPOWERED BY YOUR RESPONSES.
WE HAVE TO MANY ISSUES TO DISCUSS WITH EACH OTHER,SO STOP WITH THE INTELLECTUAL FENCING ,WITH GHOULS!


By burble ( - 208.58.252.105) on Sunday, March 4, 2001 - 08:51 pm:

AFRICA IS ONE OF THE RICHEST COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD. If not "the" richest.
How is this possible?
RESOURCES, RESOURCES, and more RESOURCES!!!!
And by resources I mean minerals and people.

- 80% of the worlds gold comes from Africa

- 90% of the worlds diamonds comes from Africa

- Large amounts of Plutonium

LMAO!!!

The only plutonium in africa is inside nuclear
reactors.

Plutonium is an artificial element. It didn't
exist until it was made by the manhatten project
in america.


By martin ( - 205.188.197.186) on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 12:22 am:

oh ok, I Heard the minerals listed before in
africa, maybe it was Uranium. I forget anyway. The
gold and diamonds part is true.

By the way, The mineral that is necessary to
create stainless steal is only in Africa (or
mostly) also. Maybe that was the mineral I was
thinking about.

Thanks for the correction, i wouldn't want to get
which resources are being exploited wrong
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By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 10:47 am:

Martin:
"Exploited" is the wrong term; "purchased" is the appropriate term.


By zzzzzzzzz ( - 63.14.135.165) on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 09:03 pm:

no, "stolen" is the exact term...


By Maria ( - 24.130.192.181) on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 04:29 am:

True zzzzz.


By saltydog ( - 64.12.102.47) on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 07:27 am:

And zzzzzzzzz administers yet another severe spanking to the insolent jimbo!


By Ptah Un-Nefer ( - 172.144.96.4) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 12:37 am:

Hotep Martin I feel your post. Favorite Line by ZZZZZZZZZZZ "when will you realize that we don't need you to validate anything for us,". Word is Bond.

One Afrikan Love, Ptah


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 09:34 am:

To Ptooey:
Does it bother you in the least that what Z wrote was moronic? No one expects you to need us to validate anything for you. All we ask is that you stop acting like racist buffoons. You can do it; I have faith in you.


By zzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.75) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 10:51 am:

Jim-Bob, does it bother u at all that most
of your post are moronic musings of an out
of touch racist?...on this very board u
posted and i quote "god is white", also
you annouced to us that "white racism"
isn't as much of a problem in the good ole
u.s of a as "black racism".....lol, Jim-Bob
you take hypocrisy to new heights and u call
what i posted moronic, pa-leezzze...while you
are trying to rid the world of "black racism"
maybe you should visit some of the suburbs
where your wonderful young people are continually
making target practice of their classmates,
perhaps you could teach those young anglos
a thing or two, you seem intent on teaching,
noticed that you didn't lend any of your
wizdumb to that posting??? hummm, wonder why?


By zzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.75) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 11:24 am:

direct moronic quotes from the Grand Wizard
Jim-Bob:

You're free to believe whatever you like, but
Christ was white.

By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, February 23, 2001 - 09:56 am:

As some posters on this message board have shown, white racism still exists. It is not, however, anywhere near as
prevalent or, in general, as vicious as the current black racism is, and it certainly is not accepted in the white community
the way black racism is embraced in the black community.

Be that as it may, Affirmative Action does indeed adversely affect white people, or more accurately, Affirmative
discrimination adversely affects white men.

***we could go on & on, with quotes from
good ole Jim-Bob, i invite you to post your
favorite moronic rant from our resident
Euro-pe-on***


By saltydog ( - 152.163.213.178) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 12:52 pm:

Jimbo, the Grand Wizard himself, said on February 20, 2001, "Afrocentrism is rife with anti-white propaganda that is very similar to the vilification of the Jews by the Nazis. Afrocentrism is racism. It should be acknowledged as such, and its adherents should be placed on the same strata as Nazis and Klansmen, for their ideologies are remarkable similar and identically evil."

Is that one ludicrous statement or what?


By zzzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.75) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 01:59 pm:

here's another peachy one from "the fuhrer"

And if slaveholding white men had raped their slaves on a "daily basis," as you stated, or anything less than extremely
rarely, the black population of this country would be a whole lot less black than they are now.


Jim-Bob, so full of wizdumb.....


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 02:57 pm:

Z:
Well, gee, yes it WOULD bother me if I were moronic or writing out-of-touch racist musings, but since neither accusation is remotely true, there's nothing to concern me. When I start writing the same kind of drivel you and the rest on this board write, then and only then you can accuse me of being "moronic."

And please stop lying. I never wrote "God is white," so for you to falsely quote me as though I did, while typical, is thoroughly dishonest. I realize that honesty is not something you value, but your transgressions in this regard are annoying.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:01 pm:

Z:
=direct moronic quotes from the Grand Wizard
Jim-Bob:=

Writing things that are true is not racist, Z.

=You're free to believe whatever you like, but
Christ was white.=

Christ was white. How could saying something that is true be racist?

=By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, February 23, 2001 - 09:56 am:

As some posters on this message board have shown, white racism still exists. It is not, however, anywhere near as
prevalent or, in general, as vicious as the current black racism is, and it certainly is not accepted in the white community
the way black racism is embraced in the black community.=

Absolutely true.

=Be that as it may, Affirmative Action does indeed adversely affect white people, or more accurately, Affirmative
discrimination adversely affects white men.=

Absolutely true. Is your problem that you simply have an aversion to truth? It would seem so.

=***we could go on & on, with quotes from
good ole Jim-Bob, i invite you to post your
favorite moronic rant from our resident
Euro-pe-on***=

You can quote me forever, and you will never find anything that is not true. Don't blame me for your aversion to reality.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:03 pm:

Continuig from Z:

=here's another peachy one from "the fuhrer"

And if slaveholding white men had raped their slaves on a "daily basis," as you stated, or anything less than extremely
rarely, the black population of this country would be a whole lot less black than they are now. =

And as always, true. Here are some more true statements for you, Z: The sky is up. The earth is round. The sun rises in the east. I'm sure you'll have problems with those, too.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:08 pm:

From Salty:

=Jimbo, the Grand Wizard himself,=

Sorry to disappoint, but unlike the numbnuts on this board, I neither belong to nor associate with racist hate groups or philosophies.

=said on February 20, 2001, "Afrocentrism is rife with anti-white propaganda that is very similar to the vilification of the Jews by the Nazis. Afrocentrism is racism. It should be acknowledged as such, and its adherents should be placed on the same strata as Nazis and Klansmen, for their ideologies are remarkable similar and identically evil."

Is that one ludicrous statement or what?=

No. It's an absolutely true statement. If one disagrees with it it can be for one of only two reasons: 1) complete and blissful ignorance of Afrocentrism, or 2) deep-seated denial. Either way, though, the statement itself is true and is given more and more credence with each and every additional racist posting by Greg, HRH and the rest of the Afrocentric racists who post here.


By zzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.74) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:15 pm:

lol, aversion to reality, more
white noise from Jim-Bob......

Jim-Bob, the bottom line is you can't
prove any of your moronic states, please,
humor us and "prove" that Christ was white..

"prove" that female slaves weren't abused
daily, and Jim-Bob, i'm sure a pregnancy
didn't result each time a slave was raped,
you were obviously reading "The Turner Diaries"
during sex education class...so the "color"
of the race has nothing to do with the abuse
that took place..

as usual, you are at your delusional best,
now goosestep outta here, and have a nice
weekend, should be good cross-burning weather..


By saltydog ( - 64.12.105.42) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:35 pm:

He's too lazy to do it, but all jimbo would have to do to see the error of his ways to see take a rudimentary census of the white hate groups that populate the internet. I recently saw a listing, complete with URLs, that was current as of the first of the year. There were 55 pages of very small type that purported to spell out just how many white supremacist sites there were at that time. I know of quite a few that were omitted from the listing. Whites have a lock on race hatred. It's a proven fact, and jimbo's little anecdotal delusions mean absolutely nothing. By the way, zzzzzzz, I love your term wizdumb. LOL, and I'll have to remember that next time I go to the bathroom and take a wiz.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:58 pm:

Salty:
Probably the only one here who has ever done any serious research on any of these topics is me. Certainly your superficial scan of white racist sites doesn't count for much. Is the "most respected leader" of white people a racist hate-monger who believes there's a spaceship orbitting the earth? No, but the most respected black leader, at least of a few years ago, Louis Farrakhan is just that. Have a million white people ever rallied on the mall in Washington to hear a flaming racist speak? No, but a million black men did just that. Are whites taught, or believe, a fabricated history that was invented simply to justify hatred of another race? With very rare exceptions, no, but many blacks believe Afrocentric racism eagerly. For the two years after its publication, The Isis Papers, probably the most insane and hateful racist book ever written was the number one seller in the African American interest category; has there ever been the equivalent for white people? No. Such a book would be viewed with the derision it deserves. Might there be 55 white guys in the U.S. who put up some rudimentary web sites and expressed hatred of blacks? Maybe, but that pales in comparison.


By saltydog ( - 64.12.105.22) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 04:49 pm:

Have Black men ever murdered ten million Europeans the way the Belgians murdered ten million Africans in what is now the DRC? You'd better wake up clownboy! When you don't have the facts on your side, you just make more ad hominem attacks on Africans, the people on the receiving end of white hatred. I make ad hominem attacks on you, because you started slinging mud first. You wouldn't know how to make a point ad judicium if your life depended on it! I've listened to a lot of addresses by Farrakhan, and he is not, repeat not, a racist. It doesn't matter what your "studies" tell you, because your own preconceived notions are going to prevail in your mind in any event. Poor little jimbo. He was born a hundred years too late to answer his true calling-that of a low level functionary in the Nazi German Ministry of Propaganda. Jimbo might have made it as a clerk to some Deputy Under Assistant Secretary to Dr. Goebbels himself.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Monday, March 26, 2001 - 11:53 am:

First of all, please prove that the Belgians ever murdered 10 million Africans. I'd love to see that documented.

Even if that were true, which it probably isn't but I'll hold judgement on that until I hear from you on the matter, your question is invalid. Sub-Saharan Africans never had the power to colonize, invade, or even significantly influence any European or Asian nation so by default, not by nature, they could never do something like that. If, however, they had the power or influence to do that, considering the history of bloodletting in Africa that has occurred -- black on black, and the disparate rates of crime in this country, it's doubtful that blacks would behave any better than whites, and is probable that they'd behave worse. In any event, comparing African behavior in a place they never inhabited, influenced or conquered because of lack of development to the behavior of Europeans in a place they did have a significant influence in is patently invalid.


By saltydog ( - 205.188.196.31) on Monday, March 26, 2001 - 06:28 pm:

Read Adam Hochschild's book entitled King Leopold's Ghost which deals with white savagery in the Belgian Congo. The towering atrocities committed there shocked even the other colonial powers who were tying to "civilize" Africans. So much for the Belgians, whose popularly accepted image is that of a peace loving people in Western Europe who were overrun by the Nazi Germans. There is no empirical evidence that I know of to suggest Africans ever had any colonial ambitions in Europe. If jimbo has any, he should trot it out or shut the hell up. As for internecine warfare, it is, unfortunately, endemic to mankind. Imperialism has been a mostly European sickness.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 09:28 am:

Salty:
Please try not to be completely ridiculous. Of course there is "no empirical evidence" that any Africans had colonial ambitions in Europe. They could barely feed themselves, were living in very primitive subsistence societies, and could never have dreamed of influencing, colonizing, or even trading with major powers except for raw materials. Most could probably not find Europe on a map, or would even know what a map was, or have any concept of what the size of the earth was, what the distances were to places around the world, or would have any way to get there. There is simply no comparison between a modern advanced society and a society that was in the stone or iron age and no further.


By saltydog ( - 64.12.103.24) on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 10:37 am:

Well folks, jimbo reveals yet again his white supremacist mindset. The scourge of European ethnocentrism is something he eagerly embraces, so there's really nothing more to be said. This white savage, this pale barbarian tries to disguise his hatred for Africans, but the truth will out. His flatulence here blows in direct proportion to the responses he receives, so I'll not give him any more excuses to continue with it. He is truly a loser's loser with nothing better to do than post white racist comments on a Black oriented website.


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 11:23 am:

Salty:
No, all I did was state, as always, something that is true. You really should get over your aversion to things that are true if they happen to go against your preconceived mindset. Childish assertions on your part will not change the fact that sub-Saharan Africa was and remains a poor, under-developed, and primitive place. Pretending that it is the equivalent of advanced European, Asian and even American societies is, again, simply childish. Still, if find your racist categorizations absolutely typical and absolutely predictable. When left with nothing to argue, no valid point to make, that's all you have left in your arsenal. You hate white people; you therefor will believe anything that, to your mind, denigrates them and elevates any other group. Don't try to deceive yourself; you are as racist as they come. You simply think that racism towards whites is justified.


By INVADER ( - 131.252.180.188) on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 08:07 pm:

JIM BOY WHAT THE •••• IS YOUR PROBLEM CANT YOU READ GET YOUR HONKY AZZ THE •••• MOUT OF HERE I GIVE YOU TILL SUN DOWN IF YOUARE NOT GONE =


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:43 am:

Invader:
Could you at least try to write something intelligent? Or is this the best you can do?


By DARKOVERLORD ( - 211.61.251.241) on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 08:10 pm:

SINCE WHEN HAS AFRICA EVER BEEN A COUNTRY? LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS A CONTINENT! BY THE WAY, IN MANY PARTS OF AFRICA, 1 IN 4 NIGGER B.ITCHES IS HIV POSITIVE! GOOD TO KNOW THAT AFRICA IS BEING DECIMATED!!!


By Maria ( - 24.130.192.181) on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 04:07 am:

Once again Darkoverlord....stupid sh-t flying out of your mouth...and by the way your statistics are wrong.


By DARKOVERLORD ( - 211.61.250.241) on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 11:53 am:

NO IT'S NOT, NIGGER WHORE! THERE ARE PARTS OF S. APE-FREAK-UH WHERE THE NIGGER BITCHES ARE ACTUALLY 1 IN 4!! BUT THE WAY NIGGERS WILL SCREW A SNAKE IF YOU LAY IT OUT STRAIGHT, IT'LL SPREAD-MAINLY BECAUSE NIGZ ARE SO POOR THEY WANT TO COME TO S. APE-FREAK-UH! THUS, A NEW POINT FOR THE SPREAD OF AIDS IN AFRICA WHEN THE NIGZ GO HOME (THAT IS, AFTER SAMPLING THE LOCAL NIG BITCHES) AND CARRYING THE DISEASE HOME!!


By nat turner ( - 198.106.46.101) on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 03:15 pm:

MARIA I THOUGHT YOU WERE LEAVING WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS SITE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER BLACK MAN TO SLEEP WITH YOU, HAVE YOUR FUN GIRL


By Maria ( - 24.130.192.181) on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 04:39 pm:

NAT: How the hell did I ever wrong you? I don't think I've ever even spoken to you. You know I'm not "Looking for another black man to sleep with" I don't really understand why you talk
sh-t to me instead of darkoverlord. I come back here because I think some of the people on this site are interesting to speak to.


By DARKOVERLORD ( - 211.61.251.241) on Saturday, April 21, 2001 - 06:03 am:

YOU FUKKIN MUD SHARK!! YOUR FAMILY IS PROBABLY ASHAMED OF YOUR NIGGER LOVING ASS!


By Maria ( - 24.130.192.181) on Saturday, April 21, 2001 - 04:31 pm:

No, actually they are not ashamed of me in anyway whatsoever. I can't believe how stupid you are, I read a bunch of your posts in other places-none of them make sense. Why don't you get a life and stop talkin sh-t to people, because I promise you no one in here gives a sh-t about your opinion and it doesn't affect them. Your just a constant reminder of how much ignorance is in our country.


By DARKOVERLORD ( - 211.61.251.241) on Saturday, April 21, 2001 - 07:51 pm:

YOU'RE A CONASTANT REMINDER THAT NIGGER-LOVING WHORES SHOULD BE WIPED OUT-JUST LIKE THE NIGGERS THEY'RE SO IN LOVE WITH!! FUKKING PICE OF •••• WHORE!!


By Maria ( - 24.130.192.181) on Saturday, April 21, 2001 - 08:27 pm:

lol, whatever 211


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