America created race?

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By Martin ( - 152.163.206.202) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 05:46 am:

One of the more bizarre concepts being spread by
racial evasionists (as Michael Eric Dyson likes to
call them) is the belief that America invented
race. Or the concept of race. This belief requires
a phenomenal ignorance of the entire history of
man. You would have to ignore the history of any
kind of people coming into contact with another
group of people.

The concept of race has always been around.
America set up the first caste system based on
race. It did not invent it.

What america DID do was generalize race into more
basic categories. Any one dark is black; Anyone
light is white.

SO....
a nigerian, a south african, senegal...all black

but...
Italian, irishman, jewish...all white

So basically America put the races of man back
into their more basic categories. Mongoloid,
Causcasoid, Negroid.

Mankind is a species of animal, with many
different races. Just because we all have ten
fingers and toes doesn't mean to categorize us in
different groups is racism. It is just
biodiversity...get over it. We should be
celebrating the diversities of races, not
pretending like they don't exist. Group RACIAL
affiliation is not racism...especially if said
group has its own history and culture. And they
should be respected as such....like BLACK
AMERICANS!!!

This rhetoric usually comes from the same people
who don't like it that we refer to our selves as
"black americans" or "African Americans." Also
known as saying things like:

"Why do we have to call it black culture/music?"

Why? TO RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED IT!!! Just
like every other race and culture in the world.
Notice people only say that about the things we
create. Nobody says why do we have to call Chinese
art Chinese!!! And wouldn't even think of Robbing
Europeans of their art forms. We are the only ones
who get this kinda disrespect.

Its called cultural recognition. It is empowering.

Others wanna be apart of our culture(s) but don't
wanna be associated with us. And years from now
forget who created it....thats what happened with
rock n roll.
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By bmawute ( - 206.170.78.254) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 01:17 pm:

Bro. Martin,

Your post is so profound and so on point! I don't think anyone could have stated it better.


By zzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.75) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 01:46 pm:

Yea Martin, good points, especially
about rock and roll, looks like
hip-hop will be the next victim,
thanks to the new Elvis,
better known as Eminem....


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 02:53 pm:

Bmawute:
I don't think Martin wrote it. I think he just copied and pasted it. Oddly enough, whenever I've seen a white person express the same thoughts -- that there are obviously different races -- invariably the black response has been to say, in effect, "You racist! How dare you evil white person say that there is such a thing as race!"


By zzzzzzzz ( - 146.18.173.74) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:19 pm:

Jim-Bob, you have been standing too
close to the cross-fire, you are the
cut & paste king, so don't act like you
haven't done the same thing..i personally
don't know of any black person who would argue
that there is no such thing as race, you sure
you weren't talking to your buddy White Vamp?


By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:44 pm:

Z:
The only thing I cut and paste are the comments I'm responding so that the intellectually challenged people I'm dealing with will know which remarks I'm responding to. I do not cut and paste things written by others and pass them off as being written by me or give the impression they were written by me. If that isn't clear to you, then you are even more challenged than I've suspected, which would be very hard to do.

And yes, Z, the resistance to the notion of "race" on the part of blacks I've encountered online has been just shy of universal. Invariably they pass off any reference to race as being the invention of white people who supposedly invented the concept to make themselves feel superior. Not that they haven't been thoroughly hypocritical while doing so, though, for while they voice their superficial disbelief in the "concept of race," they waste no time in hurling insults and invective at "white" people, thereby acknowledging a racial difference. Then again, I'm not dealing with mental giants on these kinds of forums, so that's to be expected, given the level of intellect.


By Martin ( - 152.163.197.211) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 03:27 am:

I wrote it, I did not cut and paste it. When ever
I do cut and paste an article tell you I did. I
even go as far as to tell you who wrote it and
where I got it from.

No one told you to think.
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By Martin ( - 152.163.197.211) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 03:52 am:

Bmawute and ZZZZZZZ....thanks for the compliment.

As long as you don't take credit it doesn't matter
if you cut n paste or not. If it makes a good
point it needs to be said.
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By Martin ( - 152.163.197.211) on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 05:03 am:

....But I must admit. Jim has made his first
point. Black people are paranoid of scientific
talk about our race. And for good reason.
Europeans have a history of using specious logic
based on science to exploit us. As a result we
have quotes like:

"...Blacks aren't dumb, just not as smart on
average"

and

"...Blacks are not as evolved as whites so they
aren't as smart"

and the ever popular

"Colonialism/slavery was good for Africa"

This type of thought dominates minds, both black
and white, in scholarship today. As a result we
have "The Bell Curve".

So whenever we hear this kinda talk we think

"Yea I guess we are pretty good at track....hey
what are you up too white man?"

And we're right to think so. Or else we'll get
bell curved again.
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By Jim ( - 63.212.165.196) on Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:50 pm:

Martin:
There was nothing wrong with The Bell Curve. Just because it presented in parts of the book information you didn't like doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the information. Would you have objected if blacks outperformed whites and Asians in various types of IQ tests? I doubt it, and certainly there is a chorus of black supremacists personified in our own resident HRH and Greg who already make a habit of pronouncing the inherent superiority of blacks; if they had something to back that up, one can just imagine the crowing they'd be doing. But the fact is that blacks, on average, fall significantly below whites and Asians in virtually all measures of IQ. One can debate the hows and whys of that IQ gap, but fact that the IQ gap exists is well established. Don't blame someone for saying something that is true. If the IQ gap didn't exist, that is if blacks performed better, no one such as Charles Murray would be talking about it because there'd be nothing to talk about.


By Martin ( - 64.12.102.184) on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 10:10 am:

Blacks are falling lower on I.Q. gap because they
are apathetic, color struck, ignorant about their
people/history/heritage, going to crap schools,
have crap teachers, and the few of us that
finally do make it don't give a crap about those
who haven't. Not because they have a differen't
kind of intelligence or just are not naturally
intelligent on average. That is what the bell
curve was alluding too.
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By Jim ( - 63.215.236.136) on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 06:24 pm:

Martin:
Neither you nor I know the reason, or reasons, blacks fall behind in IQ measurements. Some of your suppositions might be valid, although the "ignorance of their people/history/heritage" part is almost certainly not one of the reasons. It might be because of inferior schools. It might be inferior teachers. It might be a sub-culture that places considerably less value on education than white or Asian cultures. It might be diet. It might be pre-natal care. It could even be genetic. One can't rule these things out, nor can one state with certainty that any one, or set, of these things totally account for it. Like I said, the explanation for it... the hows and whys, are up for debate. The existence of it isn't.


By god ( - 24.132.167.193) on Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 05:55 am:

What a joke a pale grafted one tells a supreme black hue man that there is somthing wrong with the inteligence of the gods???!!!!


By Virtual_GOD ( - 24.27.77.83) on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 10:45 pm:

White people ARE the smartest people on the planet.


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