What does African Diaspora mean to you?

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By H'lael ( - 64.12.101.162) on Friday, May 4, 2001 - 02:16 am:

What do you think of when you hear the words African Diaspora? How do you place yourself in relation to it? What do you do to reinforce it? What does it mean to you?


By leopard ( - 216.220.243.10) on Sunday, July 8, 2001 - 12:40 am:

On the plantation, the landowner was careful to make sure he had a group of slaves from different tribes. That way they could not speak to each other. America Africian are a scared bunch of each other. This forum may be an opportunity to join together as a disconnected people.


By Ma'at Nebt-het ( - 205.188.199.151) on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 03:28 pm:

Actually, Africans have experienced many Diaspora's, the first when early humans migrated out of Africa two million years ago. Each diaspora had a great impact -- the populating of the earth and the seeding of civilization and culture The most significant diaspora being that of homo sapiens sapiens migrating out of the Africa 200,000 years ago. The second being the enslavement of Africans being shipped to the New World by the Europeans and to the far east by the Arabs.

When I think of the African Diaspora, I think of the Dalits of India, the Quarry (aborgines) of Australia, the Hawaaians and people of African descent in the Americans and Europe.

I think Africas are not new to anyplace on earth. We have always been everywhere, whether we got there by natural migration or forced emmigration. How do I relate to it? It means, I must think about our history from the very beginning, pre Maafa and post Maafa. It means I must learn about the experiences of all Africa peoples and not be so narrowly focused in on "African-USAmerican history/experiences. It means I have relatives everywhere on this planet. And that's a good thing. It broadens my horizens, encourages me to learn and seek out my folk where ever I go.


By bmawute ( - 206.170.78.254) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 11:54 am:

You have spoken much truth Ma'at Nebt-het, we have gone all around the world spreading our seed and creating people who look like us with the exception of whatever changes that particular climate may have dictated upon the features of those peoples. It's funny how the European always thinks that he discovered somebody and then needs to civilize them and teach them about God. It is so arrogant of them to assume that the indigenous people knew nothing of God and how to survive until he somehow stumbled upon them. You are also very correct in your analysis of the need to learn the experiences of all Afrikan peoples around the world because as you stated, we are are all related and once we understand this, we will know that we have family all around the world. Remember Black Family, we have no history without Kemet and Nubia. Unless you go all the way back to the beginning, you will never truly know you are. We must never disconnect from the ancestors, our history did not begin here in Amerika with slavery. We are the "ORIGINAL PEOPLE."
BLACK MAN RISING!


By bmawute ( - 206.170.78.254) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 11:55 am:

You have spoken much truth Ma'at Nebt-het, we have gone all around the world spreading our seed and creating people who look like us with the exception of whatever changes that particular climate may have dictated upon the features of those peoples. It's funny how the European always thinks that he discovered somebody and then needs to civilize them and teach them about God. It is so arrogant of them to assume that the indigenous people knew nothing of God and how to survive until he somehow stumbled upon them.
You are also very correct in your analysis of the need to learn the experiences of all Afrikan peoples around the world because as you stated, we are are all related and once we understand this, we will know that we have family all around the world. Remember Black Family, we have no history without Kemet and Nubia. Unless you go all the way back to the beginning, you will never truly know who you are. We must never disconnect from the ancestors, our history did not begin here in Amerika with slavery. We are the "ORIGINAL PEOPLE."
BLACK MAN RISING!


By Ma'at Nebt-Het ( - 152.163.206.177) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 09:51 pm:

Hotep,

Asante sana for your encouraging words. I am quite new to this forum and am surprised more people have not responded to this question.

I have had the opportunity to work with Africans from across the globe and discuss the diaspora and our relationship to it. In fact as the facilities diversity manager I had the opportunity to develop and facilitate a workshop entitled "Dialogue Across the Diaspora" which was insightful to say the least. We had employees who were from Somalia, Morocco, Ghana, Nigeria, Eritera, Ethopia and Malawi. African-Caribbeans were from Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, Jamaica and Trinidad. We explored our collective and national histories and discussed our perceptions and misconceptions about one another.


We often focus on intercultural rather intracultural diversity. Many of us believe that we as Black people are monolithic in our beliefs and we all do things the same way.
African/Americans are often singularly focused on Black/White relations in the US without realizing that our sisters and brothers from the continent and the rest of the Americas may very different experiences or no experience with White folk at all.

At the end of the session, we a least knew each other and gained a better understanding of each other. I hope we can interest others to share theirviews on this topic, for me it is a critical one.


By Darkoverlord ( - 211.224.75.223) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 09:58 pm:

Diasopra's ass!!!!!! You niggers sold each other and delivered yourselves to us! True to form in a nigger country, you apes •••• up everything you touch! Latest case in point, Zimbabwe! When whites ran it, it was a net exporter of food. Now the nigz have taken over, it's nearing collapse-jus like the other nigger paradise (also called the rape capitalof the world!) South Africa!

Bottom line, niggers are too primitive and savage to have any civilization above the copper age!


By Ma'at Nebt-Het ( - 152.163.206.177) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 10:16 pm:

Maybe if I put a curse on you, you will go away, so here goes.

May your semen count decrease to zero. May you have -10 population growth.

May all your girls under the age of twelve ovaries atrophy. May all your women of child bearing age have at least one highly melinated baby before menopause.

May your cloned offspring rise up against you.
May global warming hit you with intense ultra violet radiation, cause skin melonoma and make your crawl back into your cave.

May the spirits of the white embroyes you use from stem cell research haunt you until your death.

May you find everlasting organismic pleasure masturbating to your poster pin-up of Dolly the cloned sheep.

And let your comrade Timothy McVeigh appear to you tonight and tell you God is a brother from Harlem.

Be a credit to your race -- find a cure for small penises and even smaller brains.
The curse has been placed. I have spoken. You longer exist.


By ANOTHER NIGGER FLAPS HIS MAMBO LIPS AND SAYS EXACTLY ••••-LIKE MOST NIGGERS! ( - 210.181.26.101) on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 03:58 am:

May your skin turn the color of •••• and may your nose and lips swell up to stupid looking proportions!!

HEY, IT WORKED!!!!!!!!


By cozmikfaro ( - 63.24.126.26) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 01:26 am:

The Diaspora encompasses all times, including this one. The first portion came to rise (as with our true rise of Knowledge) in Kmt and Nubia, where the Metu Neter gave us guidlines from spritual cultivation. From there, Ethiopia where the original "Jews" (Cannites and Hammites) developed the Tree of Life and the esoteric Kabbalah. From there, the message was sent to the Middle East, Mesopotamia, and Central Asia, where the Dravidians (Black East Indians) gave the Knowledge names such as Yoga, Tantra, Dharma etc. Of course, there are a myriad of other sections of the Diaspora, such as regions that employed the Congo and Voodoo Rites, but these are the orginals. Not to mention, the Olmecs, Incans, and Mayans which were eventually bred out by the invading Spaniards. However, of these Sacred Rites, what was most pillaged by the albino was the Kabbalahistic path, which was distorted into Christianity with the lynching of Jesus the Christ.


By DARKOVERLORD ( - 210.181.26.101) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 04:54 am:

DIASPORA?!? YOU SHITSKINS SOLD EACH OTHER TO US! RISE OF KNOWLEDGE??!?! THIS IS MORE NIGGER BULLSHTI THAT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! AFRICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN BACKSWARD WITH THE HIGHEST TECHNOLGY THEY POSESSED BASICALLY DANCING FETISHES WITH ASHES ON THEM. NIGGERS DON'T, CAN'T AND WON'T CREATE BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO LAZY AND STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By cozmikfaro ( - 63.24.127.20) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:52 pm:

Why would Blacks have created "techonology", as the western man has done, knowning that all it does is destroy a planet that naturally possesses all necessities to support earthly life? Westerners are backwards and lazy, as they create machines to do jobs for them and pollute the world at the same time.


By ???? ( - 211.183.180.163) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 08:08 pm:

I guess all those "negroes" in Africa that are breeding like cockroaches and denuding the land are living naturally?!? Name one part of Africa that isn't fukked up and destroying itself?!?


Africa's potential water wars
By BBC News Online's Russell Smith

The main conflicts in Africa during the next 25 years could be over that most precious of commodities - water, as countries fight for access to scarce resources.

Potential 'water wars' are likely in areas where rivers and lakes are shared by more than one country, according to a UN Development Programme (UNDP) report.

The possible flashpoints are the Nile, Niger, Volta and Zambezi basins. The report predicts population growth and economic development will lead to nearly one in two people in Africa living in countries facing water scarcity or what is known as 'water stress' within 25 years.
Water scarcity is defined as less than 1,000 cu.m of water available per person per year, while water stress means less than 1,500 cu.m of water is available per person per year.

The report says that by 2025, 12 more African countries will join the 13 that already suffer from water stress or water scarcity. The influential head of environmental research institute Worldwatch, Lester Brown, believes that water scarcity is now "the single biggest threat to global food security".

More and more people need scarce supplies of drinking water. He says that if the combined population of the three countries the Nile runs through - Ethiopia, Sudan and Egypt - rises as predicted from 150 million today to 340 million in 2050 then there could be intense competition for increasingly limited water resources.

"There is already little water left when the Nile reaches the sea," he says. And he predicts that Egypt is unlikely to take kindly to losing out to Ethiopia - a country with one-tenth of its income. Indeed water is already a catalyst for regional conflict.

In the dying years of the previous Ethiopian government, tensions with Egypt increased rapidly when the rulers in Addis Ababa pondered the construction of dams on the Nile. There is also another potential water war in Southern Africa involving Botswana, Namibia and Angola.

The River Cuito which begins in Angola before heading through the Caprivi strip in Namibia and ending in the marshlands of the Okavango Delta in Botswana runs through an area that is no stranger to tensions and conflict between neighbours. Fresh water is also becoming increasingly unusable because of pollution.

But given increasing populations Worldwatch identifies one way of easing demands for water - importing grain. Agriculture is by far the biggest user of water in Africa accounting for 88% of water use. It takes about 1,000 tonnes of water to produce every tonne of grain.

Worldwatch says that already the water needed to produce the annual combined imports of grain by the Middle East and North Africa is equivalent to the annual flow of the Nile. Importing grain is much easier than importing water, but for poorer countries in Africa it may not be an option.


By cozmikfaro ( - 63.24.126.45) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 12:37 pm:

Name one large piece of land in Africa that isn't occupied by a Western or Arab military force. . .
Even the small forces run by the Africans themselves are under the persuasion of foriegn intelligence. How can a starving nation's people and government act NATURALLY with guns literally pointed to their head? All the daimonds being imported out by the native military, the oil; none of that is used for the benefit of Africa, but it is sent right out to other countries where the value has all of a sudden doubled and sometimes tripled. This means that the money that Africa's government accumulates through these transactions is not the equivalent of what it should be. Also, with the arrival of western military power (Greek invasion) came the western idea of "technology" and currency - the route of all evil. So let's look at this as a whole now, since that is the proper way to think. Westerners "colonize" Africa, tell Africans not to act Naturally because it's "primative", use their technology to rape the very land, and then ship the rewards to their countries in praise of the "all mighty dollar". If Africans were allowed to LIVE NATURALLY, the land would be no less plentiful than 4000 years ago, before the arrival of albinos.


By diop ( - 152.163.197.212) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 03:57 pm:

wow now that was a great rebuttal, i'm please diop


By Darkoverlord ( - 211.183.180.163) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 09:48 pm:

Bullshit!! Look at how badly S. Africa and Zimbabwe are doing now that niggers are taking over! SA is the rape and AIDS capital of the world! Zimbabwe is going to have very serious famines in the next year or two.

Other countries that were former colonies are doing well, but they are in Asia and aren't run by sub-human nigger beasts!

Even in the USA, the places niggers run are fukked up! Just look at DC, the congress had to stop funding because the crackhead nigger and his cronies ran it intothe ground! Bottom line, niggers are too stupid to do anything but exist at a stone age level if they don't get help from whites!


By cozmikfaro ( - 63.24.126.123) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 01:38 pm:

Once again, where was rape, AIDS, and famine during pre-western colonizational times? And further, what "former colonies" are not involved in their own civil wars now that the western idea of social status has had time to marinate? South Africa, just barely out of the aparthied era, is still a westernized society where Blacks have been assimilated into a segragative (left brain) way of thinking. It is a psychologically known fact that Blacks are dominantly right-brained (wholistic thought). So, imagine it this way: A man has just had his home invaded by burglars. They decided to let the man live there, after killing his children and wife, and use him as the cook, cleaner, and all around "butler" of the house. He no longer sleeps in his bed, since it is no longer his, but now his chambers are in the basement. The burglars then have all the old furniture shipped out and new furniture shipped in. For years they keep the man in the home as a slave, as he caters to the burglars needs. One day, the man wakes up, goes upstairs and finds that the burglars are gone. Yes, the man has his house back, but not his home. The house is full of things that were of interest to the burglars only, and funiture in their taste. Not only that, but his mind is full of memories of his slaughtered family. So I ask, what state of mind, other than confusion, would result from such an incident? Yet, it is so hard for you people to realize the signifance of experience because of your obessions with statistical fact that make it impossible to see a complete picture. Africa and all other continents aside, we live a westernized "modern" world. Collectively, we experience pollution of the planet, random diseases going uncheck, intensified violence and blunt genocides, lack of moral standing, and negation of spiritual cultivation. These are world-wide problems, and the westerners with the money, "power", and physical means to end these problems are doing nothing. This is because fixing these problems would be an admittance of fault on their behalf, being that it is their influence (from the time of the first invasion of Sumeria by Europeans) that has contorted the world into what you see today.


By Ma'at Nebt-Het ( - 64.12.106.29) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 12:00 am:

Hotep,

I wonder why some people keep using Zimbabwe and South Africa as an example of when Blacks take overa country it falls apart.

Rhodies (whites) in Zimbabwe and Afrikkaners are still living large in those countries and will continue to do so. So if there any poor white folk in those two countries -- shame on them. The government may be Black, but 90% of the wealth is in White hands.

Need I remind some folk that Zimbabwe's president Robert Mugabe had the full backing of the U.S. and Europeans powers when he was allowing the Rhodies to continue to rape and pillage Zimbabwe long after its independence. When, leaders such as Patrice Lumuba, Jomo Kenyatta, recently Kabila in the Congo wanted to ousted all contaminates from Africa, they were murdered.

There are several reasons why Zimbabwe's economy has failed in the recent years. 1) Fall in tobacco prices. Zimbabwe is one of the leading exporters of tobacco to Europe and the Far East, because the US concern of lung cancer, the market for tobacco has decreased, hence lower prices. 2) Eventhough, I don't personally agree with Mugabe's tactics, the land belongs to the original people. Whites in Zimbabwe own (stole) 90% of the ariable land. 3) Because of the turmoil tourism is at it all time low. Zimbabwe and South Africa is the vacation spot of choice of many Europeans, Japanese and the Austrailians.

Both countries are beautiful and rich in mineral wealth and the US and Europe will encourage and support unrest among Africans to distract them from what is really at stake.

Let's not get into the AIDS issue. Many poor nations were test laboratories for the virus (including Romania, the Ukranine and the other non-white ethnics in the former Soviet Union.
Besides AIDS, there is acute alcholism, severe industrial pollution and several horrific nuclear accidents, parts of Eastern Europe has suffered tremendously, not at the hand of Africans, but white Europeans.

The fertility rate among white men and women in those regions as fallen by 30-40%. Alcholism is increased the number of stillbirths and congential birth defects by 50%. Not to mention the millions of people murdered in the name of ethic cleansing. Africans have NOTHING to do with that.

Industrial nations occupy underdeveloped nations with no regards to environmental or work safety and disrupt the ecosystem as well as the culture and customs -- all so we in the US and the European Common Market can continue our practice of excessive consumerism.

Now, some of you will say that when Black folk talk about these issues we don't know what we are talking about. However, to some of you (you know who you are), this information is coming from Euro/EuroAmerica's brightest and most esteemed men in academia, as well as from the good ole US of A government. And if you would look at your media, read your government's reports and read medical research data, you would would know this. Black folk don't have to make this stuff up. When I last look all these agencies are own and operated by white men. So, if you want to put up a good argument why not visit the "real white men" web sites and have some meaning dialogue with "real white men". And don't say they are all Jews -- Many of you are jealous because some of your more ambitious kinfolk got to go the college.


By DARKOVERLORD ( - 210.181.26.101) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 04:31 am:

NIGGERS IN DC? NIGGERS IN HAITI! HAITI WAS THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN HIMISPHERE UNITL THE NIGGERS TOOK OVER! EVEN TODAY, NIGGERS MAKE GHETTOS, •••• UP NICE NEIGHBORHOODS AND "NIGGERFY" THEM. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUT THAT NIGGERS ARE SAVAGES AND WILL NIVER SUCCEEED!


By Jim ( - 63.215.237.187) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 05:24 am:

=Name one large piece of land in Africa that isn't occupied by a Western or Arab military force. . .=

Nigeria, Mali, Sierre Leone, Burundi, Chad, Niger, Mozambique, Angola, Sudan, Egypt (you can't call countries that ARE Arab as being "occupied" by an Arab military force), Libya, Tunisia, Morrocco, Liberia, etc., etc., Actually, you'd be hard pressed to name any African countries that are occupied by a Western or Arab military force. Please name any that are.

=Even the small forces run by the Africans themselves are under the persuasion of foriegn intelligence.=

Hardly. They're insignificant countries hardly worthy of anyone's attention. There might be some small intelligence gathering going on, to try to find out when the next war is going to erupt or something, but it's inherently insignificant.

=How can a starving nation's people and government act NATURALLY with guns literally pointed to their head?=

They're the ones with the guns, pointing them at the heads of their own populace and neighbors.

=All the daimonds being imported out by the native military,=

They're mostly coming out of south Africa, and it it dried up tomorrow the world wouldn't notice. The existing supply of diamonds is already way too much for the market to handle, so those few who control the market only let small amounts of the existing supply filter into the marketplace.

=the oil;=

It is mostly found in Libya and Nigeria, and those countries are selling it of their own volition.

=none of that is used for the benefit of Africa,=

To some extent it is. Even despotic dictators can't help but circulate some of the wealth in their own countries.

=but it is sent right out to other countries where the value has all of a sudden doubled and sometimes tripled.=

In most transactions before reaching the retail market, the price of a commodity doubles -- it doubles each time someone else takes possession of it, whether it's sneakers or oil. Nothing is sold at wholesale or cost at the same price as retail.

=This means that the money that Africa's government accumulates through these transactions is not the equivalent of what it should be.=

Yes it is. The price is determined by the market.

=Also, with the arrival of western military power (Greek invasion)=

What Greek invasion? They haven't "invaded" anything in Africa in more than 2000 years.

=came the western idea of "technology" and currency - the route of all evil.=

Yeah, right. Let me know when you're going to give yours up. You're using technology to write this drivel and no doubt have a bank account and cash in your wallet. Let me know when you want to dig a well instead of turning on a faucet, want to do with out electric lighting, head, AC or power for your boom box, want to walk instead of driving, flying or even riding a bicycle, and want to use barter instead of money for your next transaction.

=So let's look at this as a whole now, since that is the proper way to think. Westerners "colonize" Africa, tell Africans not to act Naturally because it's "primative",=

Well, it was primitive. What do you expect?

=use their technology to rape the very land,=

Actually, the raping of the land is at the hand of Africans. They're destroying the remaining jungle at a frightening pace. Westerners aren't doing it. And they're killing wildlife left and right. Westerners are trying to preserve what's left.

=and then ship the rewards to their countries in praise of the "all mighty dollar".=

There's not much in the way of rewards categorically, and the vast majority of it stays in Africa.

=If Africans were allowed to LIVE NATURALLY, the land would be no less plentiful than 4000 years ago, before the arrival of albinos.=

Many Africans still do live naturally -- starving from lack of food, suffering thirst from lack of clean drinking water, living short, desperate lives as their ancestors did for millenia. They'd all kill or die to have the technology and currency you have.


By cozmikfaro ( - 63.16.12.183) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 10:51 am:

Very stong words, Ma'at. Blessings to you.

Jim,
You're funny. For now on I will just laugh when I see your name in here, knowing that you are the ultimate specimen of segregative thought. You can't even respond to a whole idea without chopping it up. One thing though, with whites hiring blacks for the pillaging of their own land, promising a piece of this perverted western world, would the blacks not be foolish to accept, knowing that the whites have already destroyed the land so much that the natural way of living is impossible? There's only a handful of people running the world, and what color are the richest people in the world? There's no need for me to address you anymore.


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